Is Jin Dead?

March 13, 2008 – 10:25 pm
Is Jin Dead?

When I see the date of death on the tombstone (September 22, 2004, the date of the crash of Oceanic 815) I immediately make the connection that Jin’s alleged death was just part of the story the Oceanic Six is telling the rest of the world. I envision that Jin is still on the island and for some reason was unable to join Sun on the journey back to civilization.

However on the other side of the argument many have already thought and accepted that Jin is actually dead. It is very hard to tell from the dialogue between Sun and Hurley whether the grave represents Jin’s physical death or if it represents a symbolic way to remember that he is still alive, though he is trapped on the island.

What all of this really comes down to is the realization that Lost has given us yet another mystery. What do you think?

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  1. 47 Responses to “Is Jin Dead?”

  2. Excellent! You explained my exact line of thought on Jin’s “death”. My brother didn’t believe me until I showed him your post. Thanks!

    By Rob M on Mar 14, 2008

  3. I dont think they would have acted in such a way at the grave, not to mention I don’t believe they would have gone to a fake grave to “communicate” with someone alive on an island. Jin Will die on next weeks episode due to the fact he recieved a DUI in the off season. Mark my words.

    By tyrone on Mar 15, 2008

  4. What’s the DUI?

    By Bessamel on Mar 16, 2008

  5. If you want to believe or not, Jin is dead. Otherwise, why would Sun cry in front of Hurley who knows the truth about the whole thing? Jin must have died on the island- that’s certain. But are the rest of the survivors dead or not? And where are they anyway?

    By Bessamel on Mar 16, 2008

  6. DUI: Driving Under the Influence

    By Steve on Mar 16, 2008

  7. Do we know what the other date (March 20, 1980) represents?

    Remember as you contemplate how many survivor are dead or alive, we are still wondering what could have persuaded Sayid to work as an assassin for Ben.

    By Rene on Mar 16, 2008

  8. From other comments I have read on the web I believe that is Sun’s date of birth. This is apparently their plot in the cemetery, Sun’s name on the left and Jin’s on the right. Once she dies her date of death would be inscribed and she would be buried here as well. It would be nice if someone could translate.

    By Steve on Mar 16, 2008

  9. Steve is Correct exactly.
    On the tombstone, it says in korean.. March 20, 1980 is the date of birth of Sun.
    Who knows.. but I hope Jin is still alive because he is one of my favorite character.
    I also have strange feeling that Sun’s baby is NOT Jin’s for some reason.
    and I think Sun knows it too.
    When I first saw the baby born … the baby looked kind of dark skin than normal oriental baby…
    Is it possible that the baby’s father is not Jinl?
    Maybe Michael or the Bald korean guy????
    Probably not..but something tells me there’s much more that what it seems…
    It almost like Sun is lying or hiding something.

    By Curious on Mar 17, 2008

  10. It reads on Jin’s Tombstone… Wife , Paik Sun Hwa ‘s date of birth ” March 20, 1980″

    By Kimpakwon on Mar 17, 2008

  11. but he says….in the hospital he has been married 2 months only……that was not a flash back

    By Jin on Mar 17, 2008

  12. Jin is alive but for some reason was unable to leave the island. Clearly the Oceanic 6 are keeping silent about their friends for a reason. Jin may have stayed behind to ensure that Sun could get away safely with their unborn child. Sun is hiding the remaining survivors on the island. The situation leading to her needing to hide them may also cause her to believe that Jin’s remaining on the island and their separation is permanent or at least very long term. As a new mother, with no or little hope of seeing your child’s father, you would also look for a connection to that person. In this case the grave.

    By Luke on Mar 17, 2008

  13. WHAT DID JIN’S FLASHBACK HAVE TO DO WITH SUN’S FLASHFORWARD CAN ANY ONE TELL ME……

    By jason on Mar 17, 2008

  14. I TOUGHT THE PANDA WAS FOR HER…

    By jason on Mar 17, 2008

  15. Think Jin is still alive. She would be crying as there is no way back on the island so he may as well be dead to her. Don’t know what situation the island is in, if it’s war-like she may think he’s in danger on the island. Also they have to keep up the pretence, to not visit the grave and cry would be suspicious. Also she’s just had a baby, hormones making her cry as well.

    They are pretending that all are dead except for the “oceanic 6″ – jack says there were 8 but 2 died and 6 were left. Even if the lie is that jin was one of the 8, doesn’t mean he’s dead, just that they said he didn’t die instantly in the crash. They would have had to say that to explain how she got pregnant on the island.

    Flashback was purely to fool us into thinking they’d both made it off the island. I’d put money on Jin still being alive.

    By jinjawinger on Mar 18, 2008

  16. Jin-flashforward 100%.When he demanded a panda,salesman advised him to buy a dragon,because it was “Year of Dragon=2004″.

    By Ryan on Mar 19, 2008

  17. The Panda was so cute!
    Hope Jin is alive. Jin is interesting character.
    I don’t really like Sun that much ..
    but Sun’s baby ” Ji-Yeon” ‘s face looks exactly like ” Michael”
    and Sun’s baby skin is darker than normal oriental baby.
    When I re-played the tape.. and saw the baby’s face again and again…
    bay “Ji-Yeon”‘s face looks so much like Michael.
    I’m not sure but I think “Michael” IS
    the father of Sun’s baby .

    By kimpakwon on Mar 19, 2008

  18. Found something interesting posted on another site, it says something like – in the first season Claire is warned that she must raise the baby or otherwise it’s in great danger – we now know that Kate has baby Aaron, Sayid is killing people left right and centre, someone is after Hurley asking if there are any other survivors and Jack is lying his socks off in the courtroom and is desperate to get back on the island and tries to kill himself. Based on this I’d say most are alive on the island, including Jin. Most likely Sun is either in a coma when she’s taken off the island, or he lies to her and says he’s going to get on (helicopter?) so that she will, but then doesn’t.

    The coffin on season 3 finale is bothering me, could it be that the oceanic six are all going to be picked off and killed one by one, until only Jack and Kate (and Aaron) are left?

    By jinjawinger on Mar 20, 2008

  19. One theory from this episode is that Jin has left the island – some evidence supports a flash forward – he seems to have a lot of money from some kind of pay off, there also seem to be elements of sabotage to his mission elaboratley set up by Ben (remember Juliette’s ex being hit by the bus) – he may have had to cut a deal not to stay with Sun if she was to stay alive – she believes he is dead and he has moved onto a second marriage – Jin says “I’ve only been married 2 months” followed by the usual LOST climax chord!

    Alternatively, it is just a flash back – Jin seems to wake up from the first one, and he knows he is a father to be so it may have triggered those memories, the juxtaposition with Sun’s flashforwards may just be a tease for the duration of the episode. He is still his angry and violent self – threatening the cab driver. Supporting the flashback is the mentioned year of the dragon – which falls in 2000 and 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(zodiac)

    By Mark Alexander on Mar 22, 2008

  20. If you carefully look at the scene when Jin drops his cellphone on the ground you will see that it is very old, especially in Korea. So a vote for a flashback. Whether he’s alive or not, I have no idea, but if he is, probably everyone else is too. This would make a “fairy-tale-happy-ending” and I don’t see it coming

    By Ulisses Imianvosky on Mar 28, 2008

  21. It was a flashBACK. Guys — Mr. Paik was Sun’s father. He would not be working for him still and Sun not know him.

    By Brianna on Apr 2, 2008

  22. Why has no one considered this: Perhaps Sun just *believes* that Jin is dead although he is not. Perhaps the ones who made it off the island thought that everyone on it died. Like, for example, Sun rushes off the island and Jin is trapped on it and everyone believes that chemical gas will be released on the island and all left on it will die… so Sun and everyone else that made it off believes everyone on the island is dead. But the gas was never released, and no one actually died.

    By Some Guy on Apr 5, 2008

  23. Duno, I’m confused

    By Dunno on Apr 6, 2008

  24. It’s a flashback and Jin is alive. Sun’s father is somehow involved with the island, despite the Hanso Foundation legal department’s strong denial of any involvement with Paik Heavy Industries.

    By Took the Boy on Apr 20, 2008

  25. what the hell is ben doing In the middle of tunisia Desert

    i think the island Expelled him !!

    By stone on May 1, 2008

  26. i thinik jin is dead becasuse in an abc promo it shows jin on the freighter

    By ewan on May 12, 2008

  27. The year of the dragon was 200 and 2001, NOT 2004. Jin is dead on the Island. The baby is Jin’s.

    By The Bladed Fish on May 28, 2008

  28. Jin is not dead.

    By Ckim on May 30, 2008

  29. Jin is dead. The reason the date on the grave is not his actual date of death, is because the Oceanic 6 had to lie to the public.

    By Sieg on May 31, 2008

  30. I think Jin is still alive. I believe there is a still shot of Jin in a raft after the freighter was destroyed

    By fishead soup on Jun 1, 2008

  31. Hi,
    This is why I believe Jin is alive:
    1. Jin is on deck of freighter and running for chopper and that’s the last we see of him.
    2. When freighter explodes, you don’t see anyone on deck – could be lazy CGI but I think not.
    3. The time affect of the island showed us a dead, washed up doctor the day before he got his throat cut. This may tie in with Jin being washed ashore alive possibly the day before he leaves the island and maybe on the other side.
    4. Faraday and people on the boat vanish with island so if Jin in water alive, he may as well. The helicopter was in the air so may make a difference.

    What do you think?

    By kirnieboy on Jun 5, 2008

  32. Really hope Jin is alive, he could have easily dived off before the explosion, could go either way but I’ve got a feeling he’s alive, or maybe the writers haven’t decided yet – they could easily have conclusively show him die but chose not to.

    By jinjawinger on Jun 9, 2008

  33. I’ve been scouring all the old episodes trying to find out what happened to Jin because I think he’s still alive and I stumbled on your very interesting message board; plus the previews for 2009 keep talking about all 8 must go back, but what if there were 9 i.e. Jin that got of the island, so these folks go back and still they’re in jeopardy since they’re one short – Jin! I agree the last you see of Jin is on the freighter exploding; he could have dove in the water and was saved by another small insignificant ship so no one would have known he was saved cause he has AMNESIA or could have swam back to the island too! But there is no way he’d work for her father again and vice versa; It also seems that the island is 3 days in time behind, so it could have been 3 days behind when the actual explosion occurred and Jin made it back before then; but I don’t think the island really blew up, it just went invisible almost like those undetectable military planes and relocated! I didn’t realize all the clues which make up the timelines which make sense now and I appreciate all you fans who have all these dates and clues in order, makes it so much more intriguing; so that was a definitely a flashback with Jin then; I had initially thought Jin had amnesia and married someone else; you can’t mess with the year of the dragon that definitely gives the timeline crediblity; now that you mention this DWI, they could write him off the show, but I hope they don’t as he’s one of my favorite characters; I look forward to reading more of your theories or insights. Thank you!

    By Moo Waa on Nov 14, 2008

  34. New poster for season 5 does not show Jin.
    Check it out!
    http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/lost_y5_adart_vert_noabc.jpg

    By rooster on Nov 21, 2008

  35. jins not dead. hes not in the poster because that would ruin this new season.. just like they didnt show michael last year. the baby is jins. not all babies look the same while born. some are dark some are light. when sun was pregnant michael was on the boat and belived to be dead. no way hes the father. wait til the 21st i bet we will see jins name in the credits like michaels was before he was introduced as the spy. the island is still around and they are all alive on it. minus michael because as it said his job is now completed..

    By adrienne on Dec 25, 2008

  36. jin’s still alive, they show him in the flashforward, i highly doubt that was a flashback, and if it was that just makes everything in the show more confusing than it needs to be. the island did not blow up, it simply vanished as if it went underwater, but i know for a fact, it did not blow up. jeremy bentham is john locke

    By el on Dec 31, 2008

  37. i also don’t think michael died, because he can’t, the island won’t let him die, that’s why when he tried to shoot himself the gun didn’t work.

    By el on Dec 31, 2008

  38. Take a look at the second paragraph under “Cast”.

    It also footnotes the site http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/07/live-press-to-2.html where you can search for “Jin” and read

    By Tylisa on Jan 8, 2009

  39. I forgot the link to Cast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(season_5)

    By Tylisa on Jan 8, 2009

  40. I am not sure what I think about Jin being dead. I also don’t think that the three day time delay would work in his instance for a two reasons:
    1. The boat had moved closer to the Island
    2. Sawyer jumped out of the helicopter and swam back to the shore before the Island was moved, and when he got to the shore Juliet was sitting there and pointed out that the ship had exploded. She had obviously seen the explosion, not to mention the black smoke.

    I remember listening to a podcast by the creators last season saying that one of the main characters would die and that we would know he was dead before we knew how he died. While this could be applied to Locke (aka Jeremy Bentham), Jin would also fit into the category.

    The reason I think that he might (emphasis on the might) still be alive is for the reason that he was running to the edge of the boat before the explosion and when it occurred he was not seen in the CGI explosion. Someone suggested that it was bad CGI, but the creators of the show are so detailed with the small things, they wouldn’t miss something like that.

    Michael is definitely dead. When Christian Shepherd (A character whose presence on the island coincides with the will of the Island and or Jacob) shows up before the explosion he tells Michael that he can go. I interpret that as the Island giving up it’s hold on Michael and letting him make atonement for his past.

    By Joel on Jan 19, 2009

  41. P.S. The writers said that Jin’s Character would be in the next season, we just don’t know if that will mean flashbacks, Island manifestations, dreams, or Living

    By Joel on Jan 19, 2009

  42. First I agree that there was nobody on the freighter when it blew up. Second Michael is dead. The island doesnt let you go until it is done with you. That is why the oceanic six must return, boone died because the island felt he was a necessary sacrafice, and charlie died to save everybody. Also in the third season Eko tells Locke that they are next, what could that mean?

    By Colin on Jan 21, 2009

  43. I seriously doubt that Jin is on the island because the sinking ship disappeared when the island began moving in time. This means that the ship and everyone on it were “out f the island’s radius” and did not get caught in the time travel.

    However.. this does not necessarily mean that Jin is dead. There could be survivors from the exploded ship. After all, the Oceanic 6 were picked up after the island moved in time. Who knows what happened to the ship. No mention has be made of it yet.

    By S on Jan 23, 2009

  44. I don’t believe jin is dead or on the island. I believe that the oceanic 6 think he is dead. For some reason, he cannot or will not tell them that he is not. I don’t believe that that was a flashback when he was buying the panda. If it was then what was the big significance with the panda and the blue ribbon???? It had to mean something. Perhaps he was trying to communicate something to Sun. I don’t think we have seen the last of him…..

    By marie on Feb 4, 2009

  45. After all this time we can finally say Jin is not dead!

    By Steve on Feb 4, 2009

  46. I really like Jin in there, now it’s just making things more confusing as it is… with everyone saying he’s dead… no hes not…

    I just hope he’s alive.

    By sakura10 on Feb 12, 2009

  47. No Bro,jin is still alive.

    By sajjad on Dec 16, 2009

  48. no hes not because he has the mishima blood in him that means he will survive he can kazuya fell of a cliff heihachi got blown up so my answer is hes not dead

    By tarrell on Feb 28, 2010

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